He wanted to see the club face wide open. Apologies for the generalization to right-handed golfers, the opposite will obviously apply to lefties. "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. If youre struggling with the current loft degrees of the irons in your bag, then changing the angle of your clubs by bending them could help you improve your ball striking. For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. But if the bounce is already minimal you start going into negative bounce. The biggest effect is on the bounce. 2. 1001 Industrial Blvd Ok thanks ya'll. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. I would never ever think of doing this on my own. Honma TW-U forged 18* W/ KBS Prototype 95X I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft. So for many, playing an upright lie with your irons is a quick and dirty fix for those who can't or don't want to take the time to fix a swing flaw. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. Terms & Conditions Mickesgolf So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. GIVEAWAY! Wish he could drop the loft down to 7.5* Upright. Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell While you can theoretically bend fairway woods and hybrids, the design and loft of irons mean that you can bend them to ensure that theyre consistent from one club to the next. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. 7-Iron Comparison by Loft. Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. All rights reserved. more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. Coops Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? Abandoned Golf Courses for Sale (How Much?). Pw from 48* to 45*), that I will completely mess up the grind and . TXG Custom Mizuno T20, 50/05, 59/06, Nippon 950H Neo. [size=5][b] I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. 8 iron 38 160 Nike Vapor Flex 9.5* Left/Low, Rogue Max Low 75TX R11S 8* square; Stock stiff Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. PW-iron - 44.5 degrees. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. I guess I need to build up the full set with x100 and see how my gapping would be from iron to iron. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable, TM Stealth 15 w/Ventus Red So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] XXIO X Series 5 Wood! What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph In some cases, due to the softness of our forgings, "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. 6 iron 30 180 Pasted as rich text. But back to the original question, to sum up: Weakening lofts or going to weeaker lofts refers to increasing loft angle going from, say, 27 degrees in your 5-iron to 29 degrees in your 5-iron. Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights. All gripped w/ Lamkin Crossline ACE Midsize, with buildup tape 15.5mm RH/16mm LH. Cobra King LTD 17* w/Blueboard, Scor 50* RTX3 54* MD5 58* If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] [/quote] One of the least common reasons is distance- usually, they're trying to get the ballflight into a "window" that they're comfortable with- if a 7 iron goes to high, bend it stronger. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? In most instances, this means investing in high-tech golf bending machine that allows you to adjust your clubs by about two degrees. While there is no way to say if any of that would be a problem or a benefit, it certainly will not have the same effect as tweaking the loft. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. I think I know the answer, but would love to hear everyone's reasons. When watching PGA tour on TV, sometimes we are surprised by the distance that the pros hit with their iron. Players have been doing this for a long time. They are just tweaking the sets to fit their distance needs. 9 iron 42 145 So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. Here are the lofts of the irons in that set. So, no matter the type of golf irons that you have, you can bend them to adjust their degrees of loft. Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. CallawayTCB w/ LAgolf L-series 5 Play a draw, no more or less than standard lie. The flex will be X-stiff or XX-stiff for the strong pros who hit the ball a mile. [/quote] Mine are bent 2 strong to offset my high ballflight. Maybe different shafts could reduce dynamic loft and reduce spin some but not a lot. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] Thanks everybody for the help! Will I be digging too much? X Hot Pro 16 w/Rogue Black as others have already pointed out, there is no fixed standard lie (just like there is no standard loft) which means that one set of irons "bumped" up by 2 degrees may have the same lie angles as a different set of irons that have not been adjusted. Thanks for your perspective on this. Of course, pros do lots of training and have faster clubhead speed than most amateurs. about 2-2.5 increase in bounce for 4-5 increase in loft. It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is going to help your game unless you fall into the same catagory. And provided the hosel of the wood is long enough to allow the bending bar to fit over its length, metal woods can be bent to custom-fit a player. Upload or insert images from URL. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] As mentioned, if youre thinking about bending your golf clubs, wed recommend consulting a professional club fitter first and getting a second opinion. Paste as plain text instead, Every set of clubs sold should have some sort of custom work on them if fitted properly. So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] The most popular brand is Golfsmith which manufactures high-quality loft/lie bending machines. Callaway Rogue Max LS 9* Tensei AV Blue 6, Titleist TSi3 strong 3w 13.5* PX HSRDUS black 70, Titleist TS3 19* hybrid Tensei Blue/Titleist TS3 23* TenseiBlue, Vokey SM8 50*F & 56*M Callaway Jaws MD5 60*. then reapeat, but, move the ball more forward(note the change). Then, if you decide to carry out the work, its best to take the clubs to a fitter to do it on your behalf. Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. AP2 irons are forged and can be bent with no problem, BUT I would recommend taking them to someone who does this for a living. All bending machines are not accurate in their readings. Lastly I thought bending irons stronger, influenced the bounce of the club as well. It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. 8-iron - 34.5 degrees. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Is this something everyone should be doing, or is it very specific to a certain type of swing? You might as well get a distance gap before bending. In other words, they might not be progressively consistent from one club to another, which means your distances might be out. So tweak to fit your gaps YOU have to be in control trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x Repeat a few times for checking, and can check a few different irons ie 7 and 9 and 5 etc to confirm your general tendency. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. You're actual numbers are really not that bad, they a bit over the PGA tour average but I'm not sure it's worth adjusting all your clubs over. Like said earlier there is no "real" standard. When you consider the fact that bending your golf clubs can make them easier to hit, you can see that its a great value for money option to consider, particularly when compared to investing in a new set of game improvement golf clubs. If there are a more than normal amount of clubs that you are seeing like this then I do not know what to say. [/quote] I bent my MP-32 2 degree strong, my natural ball flight is high along with the low COG on the irons. simple, 2 degrees upright is what the clubfitter fitted me at. Once you know what your lie angles are - keep a note if you like, then you can easily know if another brand's irons need adjusting. but, best to check for real by hitting shots with them anyway. Now tilt the club grip end down a bit so that the club's toe comes up off the ground a fair bit and you'll see the pencil now points subtantially more leftward than before. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? Should You Bend Your Irons? 2 deg flat seems to work pretty well for me. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. Bending Golf Clubs: Should I Do it and How? He use to shorten all of his irons half inch. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. Taking your irons to a pro and letting them get to work on your behalf is undoubtedly your best option. Leather Golf Grips Review: Should I Use Them? Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). While the result of bending strong may be that short/mid irons go further, it won't help on the top end of the bag. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task Hybrids: 4-5 Epic Flash 6,7 Big Bertha. A variety of reasons- less bounce, less spin, a flatter ballflight, matching a previous set they were comfortable with, etc. By But my arms are more like someone 6'4" to 6'5". TM tends to increase the bounce on their irons about 50% of the loft change. "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. I have read that if you bend 1 degree strong you lower the bounce on the iron. [/quote] While some golfers can afford such a price tag to improve their clubs, others will balk at it! Yes delofting affects bounce. AutoFlex Golf Shaft Review: 8 Crucial Facts Before You Buy! Bumping the toe up 2 or 3 degrees, serves to mitigate each of the flaws through impact and helps to reduce the amount of left to right curvature that usually accompanies these moves. Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. Just because you have 130 yds to pin doesn't mean it's automatically a PW..depends on alot of factors Paste as plain text instead, I was able to do a Mizuno demo show and the rep fit me for mp62's. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. My question is, what kind of test would they do to determine whether I should adjust my launch? This applies to both face angle and lie. The cb301 had an x100 and the blade had a modus 125x. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. Some people do it to improve their ball flight, while others do it because they think that their golf clubs have been poorly manufactured. Depending on how often you play, iron head material softer forged carbon steels will move more with regular use and course conditions (firm versus soft), you very well could benefit from. Most launch monitors are not very friendly to lefties so I don't even bother. This is helpful if you want to adjust instead of replacing your irons, particularly if their loft angles arent as they should be. #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. stay away from attempting this on the course, and stay away from longer irons, until you've put in the time on the practice tee. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'] However, before opting to have your golf clubs bent, wed recommend speaking to a custom club fitter. Swing: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRK_GXV7rDg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRK_GXV7rDg[/url] (Driver FV) Titleist's 620 MB & Callaway's Apex TCB irons are the next most used with 7. A wide back milled slot enhances the clubhead's stability on off-center strikes Added perimeter weighting with toe-bias Covered with a pearl brush finish Pros Soft feel at the impact on strikes out of the middle Promotes accelerated ball speed in your 4 to 7 iron shots Reduced offset allows for better shot workability IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. Mizuno used to manufacture their iron sets with flatter lies than most OEM's partly because the average Japanese male was shorter than the average N. American male. 7-iron - 30 degrees. To be bendable the iron has to have the proper heat treatment or annealing that will allow bending - let's make the assumption that quality irons indeed have this treatment. For example, the mizuno MP forged blades (for low cappers) are flatter than the mizuno MX cast cavity back irons for the mid and high capper. Personally have occasionally weakened wedges and rarely, irons in order to help dial in or normalize distance gapping, never more than 2 degrees." So stronger lofts = less bounce = more offset. But that's not the only reason for that. [/quote] Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. There does seem to be an abrupt cut off on the minimum iron loft at slower swing speeds. An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Bending golf clubs also make your irons either slightly shorter or longer. My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. Sign up to receive product offers and news! Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x 3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2" 4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2" 4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400. The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. Contact Us I agree with these two reasons here. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. GM Never Compromise GM2 putter With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. 2 degrees up from what? The irons Well the mid-irons are the perfect place to start. [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. I'm curious about this as well. Lie angles are easiest to adjust in forged irons; sometimes not possible to adjust in cast irons. It is not the old chestnut that more upright causes heel to dig in early and cause a more left (draw/pull shot) but that a more upright causes the face to be facing more leftward at impact (than it would otherwise do) - stick a pencil on to the face of your 7 iron so it faces out at 90 degress to the face and if you then hold it exactly level on the ground it (the pencil - and the face) will point at your target. QEight Advanced Members 3.6k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted August 8, 2014 I am 6ft tall and was fit into 2 deg upright. See What Members Are Saying! When you start messing with length, then you also mess with swing weight and then adding weight to compensate for the SW can start messing with the flex of the shaft. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. 5-G gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. Titleist SM8 50/56 W/ LAgolf, Callaway Jaws Raw 60Z /Kbs 610 Then again, I'm not sure that the spin you are talking about is a problem. Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? While you can theoretically bend fairway woods and hybrids, the design and loft of irons mean that you can bend them to ensure that they're consistent from one club to the next. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. Biggest difference is in hit 2 degree upright in the center much more often and not as thin. I'm curious about this as well. TXG Custom King Cobra Nova, 25 gram weights, Garsen Ultimate grip. After being bent, high-quality cast clubs dont go back to their original position either, ensuring you achieve the desired results after bending your clubs. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. Pasted as rich text. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? We also conclusively say whether or not you should bend your clubs yourself or take them to a custom club fitter to take care of the process for you. The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? If you wanted to know more about how the process works of bending the loft and lie angle of clubs, watch the video below from Mitchell Golf: Although golfers often buy new golf clubs instead of modifying their current irons, bending clubs is a great way to make changes to the loft of your clubs to help you improve your accuracy and consistency. If you take your clubs to a fitter or professional, you can expect to pay somewhere between $5-$20 per club, but a lot will depend on the price of amendments in your local area. WRXer 'harpu728' kicks off the thread saying: "Being that higher-lofted irons within the same set are easier to hit (i.e. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1441038802' post='12239622'] It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. Your link has been automatically embedded. [img]http://pxc86358mpx1hyn3hdxen4o1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/171831.png[/img]. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). However, correcting the loft and angle by bending the clubs is a super quick way of fixing this issue. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. And while you can bend your golf clubs at home, its best to send them to a custom club fitter unless you have invested in a golf club bending machine. 5-iron - 23.5 degrees. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Basically almost all irons we offer on ExactGolf like all Miuras, Honmas TR20, Vegas and some Mizunos. I noticed when looking in the for sale forum, that there are alot of irons bent like this. Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. I would be pleased with them. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). [/quote] You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. Day in particular looks like he's always hitting 100% or more. Product Instructions & Manuals get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. 2023 Acushnet Company. When you get your set of irons, make sure that both thew lofts AND the lies are checked for consistency. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] Anyone know if most pros have this done? Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. I can do that with my 5 iron.. Oh wait never mine. 5 iron 26 198 Clear editor. The key variable ( among other variables) is the distance from your wrists to the ground at address. A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. 7 iron 34 165 IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x. Paste as plain text instead, gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. So, unless you plan on bending a significant number of golf clubs (and you plan on doing it more than once), it makes much more sense to pay a club-fitter to bend your golf clubs on your behalf. Coops, Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. Clear editor. 6-iron launch: 17* get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Maybe it's just me but it seems you can't change the relationship between the loft of the club and the spin, given you're putting the same swing on it. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. How I go about it would be to get your loft and lies checked, then hit ball on trackman/flightscope/gc2, figure your carry numbers and adjust accordingly if you are that serious about doing it. This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. Callaway XR Pro 9* Matrix Red Tie 65x Just be mindful that high-quality cast irons will be a little more difficult to bend and require a specialist bending machine. Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine: Get Bending! What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. RBZ 25* hb; RBZstage 2 19* hb It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. Odyssey Pro #1 black Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. Flex options determine the amount of bend in the shaft when force is applied to it as in a golf swing. WIth KLP on this one: bending stronger for spin reduction/trajectory is IMHO missing the point, fix impact first. Taking the next club up isn't as easy because the lengths are longer and it won't be as easy to control.
Howard Hill Cause Of Death,
Johnny Hunt Testimony,
Romans 6 Sermon Outlines,
Man Kills 5 Family Members 2021,
Ethical Swimwear Manufacturers,
Articles D