I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. He was thrilled. One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. It will work ok at 400 Hz. i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. Display as a link instead, Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.Learn More. would love to hear it. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. You cannot paste images directly. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. dkalsi Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. could you say more about your experience with jubs? Regulars. Happy to say more about the Jubs guys. The crossovers are ALK designed.The speakers are currently equipped with K-401 horns and K-55 drivers.I am thinking about switching to Altec 811B horns and 808 8A drivers.Can I do this without modifing the crossovers? Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. It's as if the 511 was made for it! Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. Truth be told I've never listened to a pair of Khorns but I do have the Cornscalas and am blown away by their openness and clarity so, along with my HH Scott amp and Empire turntable connected to the new Khorns.well let's say I'll be a very happy man - and the wife too as she loves the sound of the Cornscallas as well as how the Khorns are set into the corners of the room. It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. This is a sample of Klipsch's Flagship speaker displayed on their website! The Aristocrat is a contemporary of the Klipsch "Rebel/Shorthorn". WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. Please. Paste as plain text instead, By The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. this can result in this site earning a commission. Add to cart. The A7's are really nice from the upper bass to the top end. Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. For the Belle you can do better. Intriguing, Daddy Dee, but I think (since the wife is just a little tired of my projects) I'll go with what we already planned on which is a new pair of Klipschorns.unless you think getting an older pair of Khorns and modding it like you did with the Tractrix is really the way to go? 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. In at least one pitting of the Altec A7 against the Khorn, the Khorn had considerably better very high frequency response, even though both did not extend much beyond 15K Hz. You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. You cannot paste images directly. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. That is indeed a beautiful 2a3 amp, did you build it Arash? The Khorn bass was better. Display as a link instead, I would like to try a K-55/511b combo running them down to 400 Hz. Naturally, keep all The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. Your previous content has been restored. Schu They all sound good and they're all different. Upload or insert images from URL. You need the Altec 511b horn instead. Pasted as rich text. You can build better new for under $700 a pair plus rational-size DIY cabs. :yes: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/91402/1318610.aspx, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. 2.8k. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger The original K55 is still good enough though. I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. Absolutely not.what a silly question.[] Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Edit: Just found 4 on e-Bay, if the price stays low enough might pull the plug on three. If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? Quote Chris A Heritage Members 9.7k Location: Arlington, Texas, USA DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . You can post now and register later. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. Would the mod to your boards be tough? What do you recommend? No for the reason above. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Just a side comment. though there are other issues to resolve, a new pair of Jubilee's might actually cost you less than a new pair of Khorns (and perhaps sound better) Might at least be worth investigating. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: On 1/20/2005 11:02:47 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. The box defines the woofer horn, so the only part left Last edited: Apr 26, 2022 yes It was built here. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?" ..not around here they ain't! [] Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? I've only heard a modded model 19's and they were amazing. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. I want him to try them out. It's futile. the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. two way - Jubilee. I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher While the Khorn spec sheet shows it going down to only 33Hz -- actually 34 or 35Hz on spec sheets of some vintages, and the Altec sheet shows 30 Hz, I ran Room EQ WIzard on my Khorns and they were about -3 dB at 30 Hz, and extend to about 22.5 Hz at - 10 dB. In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. Your link has been automatically embedded. I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. Pasted as rich text. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more Look man, I hate to break it to you but all horns shout. Condition: Used Used. I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. I have both Klipsch Cornwalls and Altec Valencias. I've used both in my main system and have found the Cornwalls to be brighter and more detailed. The Valencias are smoother and not as fatiguing. I've listened to Cornwalls. A bit bright and prone to listener fatigue. Find a pair of Model 19's and your hunt will be over. It will! Those wooden horns look very cool. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. This is a win-win situation. Your link has been automatically embedded. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. That would be like saying that you disagree that we are on planet earth. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. especially with the wife tired of projects, it's a can't go wrong option! They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. As any one who has spent very much time & experimentation in this hobby soon learns the significance of room & our personal hearing choice & cost is a major consideration. Powered by Invision Community. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . You cannot paste images directly. $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. very different. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a K501 (Belle) horn. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. Paste as plain text instead, They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! The sound is very good. Thank you, man! They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. Bloody awesome info! Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. It's reality. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. 1 watched in the last 24 hours. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. Paste as plain text instead, Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter. I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. Display as a link instead, Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Pasted as rich text. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. Many may know that I've been building for about 35 years. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. They pioneered two way design and were the industry standard in recording studios for years. First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. Others have different opinions that are just as valid. 19 thread, []. DM Quote CaptnBob The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. No mean feat. I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. Be sure to try several listening locations. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. I wish I had an option to get some new khorns. on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. Although I have had Khorns sound good The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. excellent in a small room and in a big room, word of mouth and I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. So I took the best of both worlds. Just a fun debate for me. In any case, you will want to experiment with I have Khorns, 19's, A-7s, and larger VOTTs. Yes, I know it's the sound that matters most but when you're talking about $15,000 speakers (CORRECTION! You can post now and register later. Everyone claims that it can, but can never say just exactly how. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I know of several people who have made than change. Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. However- If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. They are making new ones for original Altec tools. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. Yeh. Although we have industrial La Scalas now and having sold our K-horns recently, my wife and were pleasantly surprised by how little space they actually occupy when nudged into long wall corners (in our case, 21 feet apart). Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. both 811 and 511 sound far better than K-400. Paste as plain text instead, wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. Therefore, of course I agree. I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, They are even more efficient than the Altec A7's, which have a maximum efficiency of 103dB. My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment Quote. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. For two rather They just disappear into the corners! If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. Free shipping for many products! I will always love my altecs. I haven't ). Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. You won't regret it! 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's It weighs about 220 lb. Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. Your link has been automatically embedded. Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. It would have to be mounted externally. I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. Secondly, the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. What driver would you recommend for the 511B horn? Well said Gary. Very objective reply. tc Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. [] Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y] Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex co What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. All of which I've already said in this thread. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. For the record, I bought an original set of Altec A7-500s in 1968, and they are still my main speakers - modified, of course. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Your link has been automatically embedded. The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt
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