Chiron in 12th House . but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. We communicated telepathically and still do. After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. More appreciative of that special melding? However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. The ego thing is very true. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. The Autumn Schedule is Here! Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. Is this why I am feeling this more? I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I was heart broken all over again. Another spin given to the 12th house . Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. The Davison chart is a time/space chart and is anchored in the here and now. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. Dont worry, Evelyne. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. Please your opinion. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! We feel that very beautiful in our life! I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. Like me, two of my sisters have/had Chiron placements in Gemini. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. Another spin given to the 12th house . Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. Chiron in the 12th house is the last position. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. this is a very arguementative aspect.it indicates that the two of you have vastly different opinions on most everything . This last chance element, sadly, often leads us to relationships that are destined to exist only to fix this thingwhen the lesson is learned, both these people move on. But also to wound each other? In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. I am NOT usually like this. I hope you are well during these strange and powerful times. chiron is opposed to uranus with the moon/mercury midpiont conjnuct uranus. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for. Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. I use both in my practice. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. I noticed you dont offer composite readings. )~~~a reader with Sun in Neptune and Saturn and Mars both in 12th house. Its part of me. I dont know if he felt the same deep feelings but I know he was puzzled by the sex. It's on my twelfth house and I don't really understand how to interpret that. Thank you for this article. This is my take on signs that have two rulersthere is a higher expression and a lower expression of the signs energy. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves for various reasons, not feeling comfortable telling them. I've been hearing it's some kind of unrequited love for the venus person's part, but . There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. Id appreciate any information. This is brilliant and compassionate. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated! or is it irrelevant ? His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. They do not, however, lose interest once they have completed their aim. Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. The south node lies there on the natal composite. Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with . She was in the birth canal waaaay too long. Escapist activities such as drugs, drinking, watching television, and compulsions are often found here in the12th house. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. Thank you for your insight. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. Im sorry to hear your story. Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. It is SO powerful! One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. . Hi Dawn. Hi! The composite Sun in the first suggests the couple has come together for strength. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. The doctors were able to revive her, but she suffered irreparable brain damage as a result. I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. The strong feeling of dissatisfaction also leads to feelings of emptiness-in actions and also in spirit. When someone's Chiron is in the 12th house of their (potential) partner, it represents a relationship in which one person will teach another to embrace mortality and enjoy life while it lasts. Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? Because, of Saturn and Pluto? We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? mercury and mercury conj. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. And it KILLS ME! Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. I felt like someone kicked me out of my home. I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. !Chiron is associated with the emotional wounds we receive early on in our lives. These natives like the challenge of conquering a possible partner. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. . This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? The higher powers are always tapping at the door, insisting on change, cleansing, and renewal from within (Pluto/Uranus in Virgo), but how do you do that if your connection to the other world and the higher powers are full of fear and resistant to the necessary dissolving that must occur (Saturn in Pisces). Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. This area of the chart talks about going on a journey to uncover your own secrets, subconscious, and psyche. One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. He seems very able to detach himself and move to the future. Thank you, Tricia. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. I need all the help to understand I can get. The 12th house in astrology is the hardest part of your chart to get to know. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. Something is whispering in their ears. We all find our gods where we can and must. The sign Chiron is in will dominate but the house placing will show in which area the personality is motivated and into which they will put their efforts. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? One or two aspects, especially in composite, do not carry the story. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. What would you say about a composite Scorpio Juno in the 12th house, conjunct to the asteroid Valentine and squaring the north and south node? Thanks! Gilly. Its more complex than just the composite positions. It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. Therefore difficult aspects to composite Chiron need to be noted. It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. He just wanted to keep it physical until one of us gets married with someone else. There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. any input would be greatly appreciated!!! Am i trapping my self? I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. Your article is amazing! There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. Wow very insightful thank you so much, I love your writing!! When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction.
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