Catherine is the daughter of Beatrix Campbell [unknown confidence] 1. Explore in 3D: The dazzling crown that makes a king. 15. John VIII is the son of Elizabeth (Somerset) Brereton [confident] Hannah is the daughter of John Lake - his wife and children immigrated, but he stayed in England named Jean matching the House of Gordon but Douglas seems to imply they never were actually married or consummated the marriage; she supposedly m.Archibald Douglas but she was never described as the Countess of Angus; the DNB describes her as his mistress. Sarah is the daughter ofAnne (Lumpkin) Eldredge[unknownconfidence] Margaret Tudor (1489-1541) 4. 4 Year Degree. Thomas is the son ofHelen (Langton) Southworth[unknownconfidence] Archibald is the son of Beatrice Campbell [unknown confidence] But charlomagne was his 19th grandfather. Webdescendants ancestors Four or more generations of descendants of Edward IV of England (1442-1483) if they are properly linked: 1. 11. John Oxenbridge of Boston, Massachusetts IV: 300; V: 395, Oxenbridge, Rev. Frances Deighton is the gateway ancestor. 12. William is the son ofWilliam Knox[unknownconfidence] 16. Mary White . John is the son ofThomas Southworth[unknownconfidence] Supposedly related to royalty. 11. 7. 14. 13. 12. Regarding Mary Fiennes, according to a curated site at Geni, someone mentioned that Mary Fiennes was indeed the daughter of Sir George Gregory Finnes and Lady Anne Saxeville, she is allegedly mentioned in the "College of Heralds." Elizabeth is the daughter of Hannah (Niles) Mott 13. Eli is the son of Esther (White) Dickinson [unknown confidence] Do you have a gateway ancestor from a population group other than American colonial immigrants (e.g. The entire early portion of this line is undocumented and is likely incorrect. There is almost certainly a problem at the immigrant generation, but we will check it out. 4. 1. 19. William is the son ofRalph Eure[unknownconfidence] Peter, of Concord, Massachusetts II:10, Burnham, Mary (Lawrence), of Ipswich, Massachusetts III: 552, Burrough, Nathaniel, of Calvert County, Maryland and Roxbury, Massachusetts II: 45, Carleton, Edward, of Rowley, Massachusetts II: 113, Carleton, Ellen (Newton), of Rowley, Massachusetts II: 113; IV: 249, Chauncy, Rev Charles, of Scituate and Plymouth, Massachusetts II: 133, Clarke, Jeremy (or Jeremiah), of Newport, Rhode Island II: 214, Cooke, Elizabeth (Haynes), of Cambridge, Massachusetts III:275, Coytmore, Thomas, of Charlestown, Massachusetts II: 347, Crowne, Agnes (Mackworth), of Boston, Massachusetts III: 687, Cudworth, Major James, of Scituate, Massachusetts II: 367, Davie, Humphrey, of Boston, Massachusetts and Hartford, Connecticut II: 4-06, Dudley, Katherine (Deighton), of Roxbury and Dedham, Massachusetts II: 412, II: 477, Dudley, Gov. Gregory is the son ofThomas Fiennes[unknownconfidence] John is the son ofElizabeth (Touchet) Sydenham[unknownconfidence] Thomas, of Cambridge, Ipswich, and Roxbury, Massachusetts II: 412, II: 477, Eaton, Mabel (Harlakenden), of Hartford, Connecticut III: 225; III: 27 4, Edwards, Agnes (Harris), of Cambridge, Massachusetts and Hartford, Connecticut III: 234, Farwell, Olive (Welby), of Concord and Chelmsford, Massachusetts V: 330, Giddings, Jane (Lawrence), of Ipswich, Massachusetts III: 552, Goddard, William, of Watertown, Massachusetts Ill: 92, Hackburne, Katherine (Deighton), of Roxbury and Dedham, Massachusetts II: 412, II: 477, Harlakenden, Elizabeth (Bosvile), of Cambridge, Massachusetts I: 444; III: 225; V: 355, Harlakenden, [Lieut. Ann is the daughter of Edward Sutton [unknown confidence] Soap star Danny Dyer found on the BBC family history show he was related to Edward III, Alexander Armstrong was descended from William the Conqueror and the rower Sir Matthew Pinsent was another relative of Edward I. 15. He married Eleanor Bohun, by whom he had five children, and died at Calais in September Sarah Jane is the daughter ofSarah (Eldridge) Colby[unknownconfidence] The Baronial Order of Magna Charta (BOMC) keeps its own list of Gateway ancestors that descend from the barons who forced King John of England to sign the document at Runnymede on 15 Jun 1215. Probably 11 and 12 are not connected, it's odd Catherine and Ian poppedover to Argyllto have their da. 3. I'm going to update her profile and disconnect the Gordon(s). You find it fascinating to learn about life in the middle ages from the perspective of these families. John is the son ofEdward (Plantagenet) of England[confident]. Michael is the son ofJohn Andrew Woods[unknownconfidence] Patrick is the son ofWilliam Bruce[unknownconfidence] Sure enough, I found two questionable gateways! 12. The House of Gordon v. 2 has no mention of William Gordon's wife but does mention his grandson Alexander m. a da. Robert is the son of John Gordon [unknown confidence] I recall that Horatio Gates Somerby was associated with a probably-fraudulent Peck pedigree that was subsequently published by Ira Ballou Peck. Iver is the son of Mary (Macgregor) McKay [unknown confidence] Edward abdicated the British throne in 1936 to marry her. Joan is the daughter ofJohn (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG[unknownconfidence]. Prince Lionel of Antwerp =1 Elizabeth de BURGH (4th) Countess of Ulster. 14. Because I match bigod. I connect through George Reade apparently. Turi King, professor of genetics at the University of Leicester, has researched Richard III and says there are "literally millions" of people alive now who are related to the immediate family of this 15th-Century sovereign. 10. Thomas is the son ofThomas Fiennes KB[unknownconfidence] There appears to be no evidence that Frank Wheatleigh even had a wife named Mary, so Mary Fiennes may never have existed. Josh Widdicombe discovered he was a descendant of Edward I, who died more than 700 years ago. James is the son ofConquest Wyatt[unknownconfidence] Wallis Simpson (born Bessie Wallis Wakefield; 19 June 189624 April 1986) was an American socialite who gained notoriety for her relationship with Edward VIII. 20. 17. Edited about an hour after initial posting. Family trees are said to have a pedigree collapse as more and more of the same Beth a family bible is still a kind of evidence that can be cited but did anyone transcribe it before it was destroyed? Duncan is the son of Patrick Mckie [unknown confidence], 5. Archibald is the son of Archibald Campbell [unknown confidence] 3. William is the son ofRichard Nance[confident] Alice is the daughter ofRichard (Neville) de Neville KG[unknownconfidence] To me that's problematic and. Kristina is the daughter ofMartha Eva (Henry) Voorhees[confident] Edward III Project: Gateway Ancestors - do you have one? 21. Edward IV of England (1442-1483) 2. And to illustrate the point, he's also another descendant of Edward I. 13. Anna, please post your line to the new G2G question: Edward III Project: Gateway Ancestors - do you have one? King edward the 3rd is my 22nd great grandfather my dad has somthing to prove it too Hi Darrel, Wikitree does have a profile for Charlemagne, Thanks for the information Andrew it much appreciated. And her husband died a year before the first of the four was born. 13. Not sure about Walter Abraham FItts, but the respelling of his last name along with a middle name are warning signs; he almost certainly wasn't the legitimate son of Sir John Fitz. William Asfordby, Charles Barnes, Marmaduke Beckwith, William Farrar, Elizabeth Mansfield, Anne Mansfield, John Mansfield, Robert Spotswood, Robert Rose, Margaret Toshach. Mary is the daughter ofGregory Fiennes[confident] 11. I will let you know though there a bunch of these I need to check out now. I do not think any of them have a line to Edward III (which is what we are looking for). Lora and Edward III are third cousins 21 times removed. 19. George is the son ofAgnes (Stewart) Maxwell[unknownconfidence] Illinois Tech, an NCAA Division III program located in Chicago, is actively searching for a Head Coach Men's & Women's Swimming and Diving. Obediah is the son ofSarah (Flanders) Clement[unknownconfidence] The Scots Peerage has no mention of William Gordon and its usually pretty reliable - Joan Stewart does have kind of a missing chunk of time from 1451-57 where she was in France but not married yet, plenty of time to marry and have a child. Joan is the daughter ofJoan (Beaufort) Stewart[unknownconfidence] Anne is the daughter ofWilliam Harris II[unknownconfidence] https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.ide/120/mb.ashx 13. ), https://books.google.com/books?id=swQVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA81, https://books.google.com/books?id=hS47AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA199. I have not looked into this until I saw the post, so not surprising I do not recognize any names. 9. Henry is the son of Edmund Beaufort KG [unknown confidence] Homer is the son of Henry Anderson Dickinson [confident] Doris is the daughter of Homer Ferry Dickinson [confident] "Whether you can actually prove it is one of the issues. You start to learn about geopolitical competition and the political development of Britain in a way you never imagined. 21. Joan is the daughter ofJohn Beaufort KG[unknownconfidence] Bridget is the daughter ofWalter Abraham Fitts[unknownconfidence] However, Joe put a comment in the profile that based on the picture with the correct arms of Savage of Rock Savage (''six lions sable'') as well as on his tombstone, he still might be closely connected through one of the younger brothers of Sir Thomas Savage. Thanks, RJ! 6. On both my parents. 15. Patricia is the daughter of Bruce Hawkins Jr. [confident] These Lake's are also in my ancestry. For example Order of the crown of Charlemagne includes a total of 390 immigrants of which 143 came to New England: Perhaps the fight for liberty is more your style? Colin is the son of Archibald (Campbell) fourth Earl of Argyll [unknown confidence] "It's not that uncommon," says Graham Holton, a tutor on a postgraduate course on genealogy at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow. it's all sourced! Wiliam is the son of Samuel Adam (McKay) McCoy [unknown confidence] I haven't fully researched it yet but there is likely a problem at the immigrant ancestor. 9. This line is so jumbled I am having a hard time figuring out where to begin (typical of Scottish pedigrees). and I believe my connection is a second bogus connection: it's via Martha Bliss, daughter of Thomas Bliss, married to Nicholas Ide. 21. Restating this line just so I can have the links: 1. Any help appreciated. It will be nice when Wikitree can go back to Charlemagne and find relationship to him or for that matter any ancestor that far back. I think there may be people still trying to hold onto it by arguing about the phrasenepoti ex matre, which Hanson says proves John Bagley married a sister of Elizabeth Tomlinson and not her daughter. 22. 16. 12. That's a great source - I learnedSamuel Fullerwas the brother-in-law of EdwardSouthworth and Thomas Southworth through Edward's wife Alice's sister Agnes. 3. Confirm for people well-documented and well-proven lines. Katherine is the daughter of Patrick Agnew [unknown confidence] Each Ancestor's name is followed by the volume number and page number: In addition we include newly proven lineages which are currently being accepted by royal hereditary societies: The Royal Descendants of 600 Immigrants (aka RD600) first published by Gary Boyd Roberts in 2003 with a second edition in 2006 and finally a third edition in 2008. "I've discovered through DNA that my father is not my father. Rather than separate trees, she says family links become like interwoven thickets. Once you go even further back, a few thousand years or so, the genetics professor says there are even bigger patterns of common ancestry, not just within Britain, but shared between people living in different countries and continents. But he hasn't been the only example. Andrew is the son of Katherine Gordon [unknown confidence], 11. 10. Tamesin is the daughter ofThomas Constable[unknownconfidence] "We're reliant on the survival of records," she says. But finding the line that gets you there is the trick! He's interesting historically, but he's not really me. 74 phototypic plates under the auspices of the Netherland Ameria Institute Gift Of Mrs. Grace M. Vellema February 1993. In case anyone reads these thingsafter some research Capt. Prof King, a presenter on BBC Two's DNA Family Secrets, says that it's often not understood how much family trees are likely to overlap when you go back so many generations. 9. 18. PS I am still building my line to the Connecticut Talcotts. Nicholas is the son of Martha (Bliss) Ide [unknown confidence] of William Courtney, de jure 3rd Earl of Devon not Gertrude Courtney. Create a list of proven gateway ancestors as a tool for future research. I have the same connection to all of the surety barons whose line hasnt died out. Joan is the daughter ofJohn Beaufort KG[unknownconfidence] Archibald is the son of Colin Campbell [unknown confidence] I agree that this particular family lacks good evidence but they aren't as suspect as some of these other lines we can easily disprove. William is the son ofMarcus Knox[unknownconfidence] 8. Mary; its possible her parents sources have some information about her husband. You start to read about your ancestors on Wikipedia. Edmund is the son of John Beaufort KG [unknown confidence] Jonathon is the son ofElizabeth (Bliss) Wilmarth[unknownconfidence] I don't think that she is the only person who may not have existed in that book including her husband. I also connect to this tree (which is why I was up on Mary Fienes!) 8. On a recent episode of the TV genealogy show Who Do You Think You Are? It's just a question of degree.". In fact most royal lineages found on Internet trees include what are called BGAs short for Bogus Gateway Ancestors. Countless man-years of genealogical effort is lost because of BGAs not to mention the heartbreak one suffers when one has to prune ones medieval roots leaving a sorry looking stump! It would also be nice if that app was a part of Wikitree as well. Mary is the daughter ofMoses Embree[unknownconfidence] 19. Al Clemnts, you and I are related through the Simon Crosby lineage. This trail tells us that Edward III is the 19th great grandfather of Patricia. I have not had a chance to review them. Elizabeth is the daughter of Charles Somerset KG [confident] 13. 18. 18. Robert is the son of John Gordon [unknown confidence], 13. 20. Most people who can connect to a few other families on wikitree will have cousin relationships to basically everyone else on the main tree including royalty. Although he was eldest son of Edward III, he predeceased his father thus never became 3. Joseph is the son ofWilliam Danford[unknownconfidence] 1. "I always say to people we are all related to each other. 14. Thomas is the son ofThomas Southworth Esq[unknownconfidence] Edward is the son of Ann Tomlinson [unknown confidence] Jesse is the son ofSarah Danford[unknownconfidence] https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Relationship&action=calculate&person1_name=Plantagenet-70&person2_name=Beauchamp-1979. Robert is the son of Rachel Beauchamp [unknown confidence] Benjamin is the son ofBenjamin Wallingford[unknownconfidence] Chaos at port as thousands rush to leave Sudan, Air strikes pound Sudan capital as truce extended, Suspected IS chief killed in Syria, Turkey says. This trail tells us that Archibald is the 14th great grandfather of Beth. The List of 17th Century New World Immigrants, Francois says in a 1733 notarial act that he is the son of Robert de Joyeuse, but offers no proof of it. Richard is the son of John Lake The surnames of these colonists include: ABBOTT, ABELL, ABNEY, ALLIN, ALSTON, ASFORDBY, BALL, BARHAM, BATT, BAYNTON, BECKWITH, BERNARD, 14. Henry is the son ofHenry Percy KG[unknownconfidence] 16. I'm happy to hear the lineage might actually be valid. Jesse is the son of Noah Delano Grant I'll deal with John (he needs a PPP protection); Captain Thomas is all yours. I personally agree with Hanson, and even if you allow some doubt about his translation, at best the line is still unlikely and unproven. along with writing up a discussion of the problems. Patrick is the son of Patrick James McKie [unknown confidence], 6. 13. RJ, had suggested to me, Jane Finch, mother of Hawte Wyatt, for a trail I was working on to reach one of the Magna Carta Barons. John is the son ofAlice Harry[unknownconfidence] This trail tells us that Edward III is the 15th great grandfather of Daniel. Mary is the daughter of Joan (Beaufort) de Neville LG Anne is the daughter ofRalph (Eure) de Eure[unknownconfidence] They had a son Thomas but he married Elizabeth Whitmore and died in 1655. However, only 387 of these include colonial immigrants who left progeny. John is the son ofJohn (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG[unknownconfidence] Douglas covers the Gordon's of Lochinvar under the article about their descendants the Viscounts of Kenmure. Iver is the son ofDuncan McKay[unknownconfidence] WebTheir lineage can be traced back to the Saxons, Scottish (Stuart dynasty), Welsh (Tudor dynasty), Irish, Germans (Hanover and Windsor), French (Norman and Angevin), Russians, Franks and perhaps even Byzantines. All three of those are gateway ancestors to medieval English ancestry. 4. 12. 9. 12. 4. I hope to get to all of them. Instead of entering these manually you can click a "Relationship to Me" link from a profile pull-down menu or a Relationship Finder icon on your Watchlist, a Trusted List, etc. 15. Sarah is the daughter ofBridgett (Fitts) Window[confident] 14. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG [unknown confidence] This appears to be the basis of the undocumented supposition that Mary was the daughter of "George Gregory" Fiennes. Knox seems to be my connection to almost any famous, important, or royal type person! 12. all relationships limit to paternal line limit to maternal line. 15. 11. This trail tells us that Edward III is the, Thanks, that made my day! John is the son ofIsabella Bruce[unknownconfidence] Terry Booth disputes this. Mid-Atlantic Gateway Ancestors of Proven Royal Descent, Southern Gateway Ancestors of Proven Royal Descent, Governor George Popham of Popham/Sagadahoc Colony of Maine, Southern Atlantic Gateway Ancestors of Proven Royal Descent, Abell, Robert, of Weymouth and Rehoboth, Massachusetts I: 107, Allin, Katherine (Deighton), of Roxbury and Dedham, Massachusetts II: 412, II: 477, Allyn, Margaret (Wyatt), of Cambridge, Mass. 21. His son, Richard, who was aged 9 years became heir to the throne. 5 Volumes (Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013) Available on Amazon. and heiress named Janet who m. (1) Lachlan Mackintosh of Dunachtan and (2) James Ogilvy of Cardell, with her lands being discharged to her half-brother Sir Robert of Glen (not in WT). Well, I get a descent via Captain Thomas Savage, but I already know John Savage is not Thomas' son; he was born when poor Faith Hutchinson was 13, and seven years before she married Thomas. 19. 14. Duncan is the son ofDuncan M'Kie[unknownconfidence] Mary is the daughter of James Campbell [uncertain] 9. Thomas is the son ofThomas Southard[unknownconfidence], For Edward I already added his marriage record a while ago, he had a brother Thomas also, who was a witness at this marriage, and now I remember why the name sounded so familiar. Ms Churchill, whose parents are no longer alive, says it made her realise that she hadn't lost any sense of identity by finding out this lack of a genetic connection to her father or the ancestors she had researched for so long. Elizabeth is the daughter ofJohn Mansfield Esq, MP[confident] 9. 4. Seems unlikely. John is the son ofAnne (Eure) Mansfield[confident] 18. 11. He killed Nicholas Slanning of Bickleigh, fled to France until his father-in-law secured a pardon. Joe thank you for breaking the bogus Bagley line! William is the son ofHarrison Henry[unknownconfidence] I'm related through, 1. Nancy is the daughter ofRobert Loxley Stubblefield[unknownconfidence] James is the son ofKatherine Agnew[unknownconfidence] Richard is the son ofJohn Harry Nance[confident] Unfortunately that is also the connection (Francois to supposed father Robert) that establishes her gateway ancestor status. Regarding the Lake line, everything after Richard Lake is in error. She is my 10th great greandmother. WebDescendants of Edward III of England Edit Contents 1 of Edward III of England and Philippa of Haniault 2 of Prince John of Gaunt and Blanche of Lancaster 3 of Philippa of
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